Ja, det kan man fråga sig? i den här intervjun (som jag refererade till redan i april) med ukrainska Defense Express chefredaktör Oleh KatkovEnceladus skrev: ↑lördag 23 december 2023 4:14Förutom Patriot kan det väl bara vara Mamba eller S-300V? Uttrycket "a powerful radar of an unknown SAM" talar möjligen för Mamba. Tendar tror på Patriot:dr Cassandra Nojdh skrev: ↑onsdag 20 december 2023 11:21 Det finns inte så gott om Patriot-missiler i världen. Men Ukraina skulle behöva fler Patriot- (eller SAMP/T)-system också, inte bara missiler. Återigen mystiskt att Frankrike inte är mer på hugget!
I så fall har Patriot lyckats eliminera tio ryska luftfarkoster under det gångna halvåret:(((Tendar))) skrev:Everything points to an event similar to the so-called "Bryansk Massacre" in May 2023, where in a matter of a few minutes 2 fighter planes and 3 choppers of the Russian air force were blown out of the skies of Bryansk, Russia. The Ukrainian Air Force later confirmed that it was responsible and that a MIM-104 Patriot air defence system was used, finally proving all speculations.
The events today in the south of Ukraine are similar but in some aspects even more impressive. It required extensive coordination and planning. The three Russian Su-34 were likely part of an air group attacking the Ukrainian detachment in Krynky, Kherson. Russians have been using improved FAB-500 missiles which they fired more than 50km from the impact points and out of range of short and medium-ranged air defense assets of the Ukrainian army. Russians felt basically safe to deploy their standoff weapons.
This has dramatically changed. It is highly likely that Ukraine deployed the latest MIM-104 Patriot battery in the south, likely the latest Patriot battery from Germany. The PAC-2 variant has a range of at least 160 km (probably more). This considerably extended the zone in which the Ukrainian air defense was able to destroy enemy planes. I marked it in orange on my map but it is a relatively conservative estimation and considers that the battery is not deployed too close to the current frontline. You can easily extend that area and strike even far deeper.
Begravningsmusiken tyder på stupade piloter. Som sagt, Patriot garanterar säkerheten! Hur annars ska Ukraina bekämpa glidbomber släppta från flygplan?Ukrainian Front skrev:May 13, 2023 - shot down: one Su-34 bomber; one Su-35S fighter; two Mi-8MTPR-1 electronic warfare helicopters; one Mi-8 transport helicopter.
May 21, 2023 - shot down: Su-35S fighter
December 5, 2023 - shot down: Su-24M bomber
December 22, 2023 - shot down: three Su-34 bombers
Ukrainian military expert explains threat from gliding air bombs, and how to counter it(The New Voice of Ukraine)
anser denne att stridsflyg är den bästa lösningen. Patriot och SAMP/T är nog bra, men Ukraina har alltför få av dem - de är dessutom i huvudsak defensiva system.
När det gäller tillförseln av kvalificerade LV-system verkar det ju delvis vara fråga om att Tyskland och Frankrike försöker slå mössan av varandra:The New Voice of Ukraine skrev:Q: How can Ukraine resist such bombings?
A: Shooting down gliding bombs is a non-starter. Our main task is to fight against the (aircraft that drop them) themselves. The only scenario that will allow us to repel enemy aviation with all of these high-precision weapons is to obtain modern Western fighters. We need not just Mirage-2000 or Panavia Tornado, but full-fledged 4+ generation fighters such as F-16, F/A-18, Eurofighter, Rafale, or Gripen. Only they have the corresponding range of radar stations that can detect the enemy at a greater distance and launch AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles with effective air combat ranges. Even if we have only a few of these aircraft, it will enable us to repel enemy aviation to some extent.
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Precis som president Zelensky frågar jag mig "what France can do to protect Odesa and the region."
Pratet om "powerful radar" ska man nog inte fästa alltför stort avseende vid. Om vi antar att de ryska planen bekämpades med Patriots PAC-2-missiler, så har dessa (tiill skillnad från PAC-3, som har en egen, aktiv radarmålsökare) en semi-aktiv radarmålsökare, dvs. målet måste radar-"belysas" under åtminstone någon fas av attacken. PAC-2, som är avsedd att bekämpa i första hand flygplan, har en rätt kraftig stridsladdning - över 80 kg.
Den indiske putinisten Prakash Nandas flaggskepp EurAsian Times skriver en del om Ukrainas luftförsvar: Russia’s ‘Best Missile’ Fails To Bait Western Air Defenses In Ukraine, But Kyiv Running Out Of SAMs